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北约：对中国使馆被炸的谬论
北约发言人NATO Spokesman Jamie Shea和Major General Walter Jertz为轰炸中
国驻南使馆辩解：
他们的目标是Federal Directorate for Supply and Procurement in Belgrade
，
“不知为什么”“误”炸了中国驻南使馆，表示“歉意”。
军事发言人Major General Walter Jertz更不耐烦，简直不提中国驻南使馆被炸
事，
只在个别记者追问下，支吾两句（而且明显用轻蔑和冷淡的口吻），没有一句“
道歉”的话，
甚至在最后在Sky News记者Jake Lynch追问下，先回答第二个问题，而把第一个
中国使馆被炸问题
放在最后以示轻蔑，并在否认后说：that is why this question I think shou
ld be refused,
but yes, of course, we do know where the embassies are.
RTP记者Antonio Esteves Martins首先问军事发言人有关轰炸中国驻南使馆事，
Walter Jertz轻描淡写
甚至连道歉也没有（Jamie Shea尚说了两个“regret”）。
对Christopher等记者提问有关中国使馆事，Walter Jertz简直不屑回答。甚至在
有个记者提供
台阶地问“是否用了旧地图而造成误炸”时，他回答更为蛮横。
整个发布会，几乎没有什么中国使馆被炸的内容（似乎碾死了个蚂蚁），而中国
记者始终都没有
被允许提问。最后中国记者追到Jamie Shea问“是否觉得其行为违反国际公约”
时，他说："No,
I don't think so."
下面附录整个今天NATO发布会记录：
Updated: 8 May 1999 Speeches
NATO HQ
8 May 1999
Transcript of the Press Conference
given by NATO Secretary General, Javier Solana
NATO Spokesman, Jamie Shea and SHAPE Spokesman, Major General Walter J
ertz
(Presentation )
Secretary General: Good afternoon. Following its meeting this afternoo
n, the North Atlantic Council wishes to express its deep regret for th
e tragic mistake for the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. I
would like to tell you that I have just spoken to the Chinese Ambassa
dor here in Brussels and I have transmitted the regrets personally. Th
e sincere sympathy and the condolences of all the countries, of all th
e members of the Alliance, go to the victims, to their families and th
e Chinese government.
But once again I would like to emphasise that NATO never has, and neve
r will, intentionally target civilians. As you know, extraordinary car
e is taken to avoid damage to other than legitimate military and milit
ary-related targets. The bombing of the Chinese Embassy was a deeply r
egrettable mistake.
We continue to review the circumstances surrounding the incident and w
e will make available any further information as soon as possible. But
I think it is appropriate at this very moment also to say that NATO w
ill continue to pursue its goals, and its goal is none other than to s
top ethnic cleansing and to ensure that Kosovars can return to their h
omes in peace and in security. The Alliance, as you know, is prepared
to suspend air strikes once Belgrade has unequivocally accepted the fi
ve key conditions that have been set down by the international communi
ty for a peaceful settlement of the conflict. And I would like also to
stress that NATO and the NATO countries will continue to support all
attempts at a diplomatic solution which respect these conditions. The
mistaken attack against the Chinese Embassy should not diminish, or sh
ould not derail, these efforts, building on the results of the recent
G8 meeting. We will continue therefore on this double track of our pre
ssure from all the different angles, including the military and the di
plomatic.
Thank you very much.
Craig Whitney, New York Times: Mr Secretary General, will attacks cont
inue against Belgrade as intensely as they were last night, or in the
future at all?
Secretary General: The attacks continue in order to achieve the object
ives that we have, and they have been very clearly stated, not only st
ated by us, stated by the European Union, stated as the objectives als
o by the meeting of the G8. We want not only to stop ethnic cleansing,
we want to reverse ethnic cleansing and therefore to guarantee that d
isplaced people, the people that have been expelled from their country
, from their houses, can return to a safe and secure Kosovo.
Craig Whitney: But against Belgrade?
Secretary General: Again, as we said many, many times, there will not
be sanctuaries in ex-Yugoslavia.
Mark Laity, BBC: A couple of questions. You said it shouldn't diminish
or derail the efforts to negotiate a diplomatic solution along the li
nes of the G8 summit, but do you accept that it is temporarily, or may
be even in the longer term, going to cause problems because both Russi
a and China are now going to demand more?
Secretary General: First, I don't think so. You see the activity that
is going to take place in the coming hours, you will see that the dipl
omatic channel is not only open but is moving and moving fast. As you
know, Mr Chernomyrdin will be in Bonn later on today; Mr Carl Bildt wi
ll be also in Bonn later on today, the newly appointed representative
from Mr Kofi Annan; I will be talking to Mr Kofi Annan in the coming h
ours also.
The diplomatic activity continues, trying to build on what were the po
sitive results of the G8.
Mark Laity: You were also targeting last night various other targets i
n Belgrade, including for instance the Hotel Yugoslavia, where Arkan w
as. Was this an attempt to hit Arkan directly and will you change your
targeting policy after what happened last night?
Secretary General: Well it is true we have targeted the Yugoslavia Hot
el. As you know very well, these are the headquarters of Arkan and Ark
an Tigers, therefore of a publicly indicted war criminal, and without
any doubt one of the persons which have been linked most closely, toge
ther with Milosevic, with the tragedy of the ex-Yugoslavia, not only t
he tragedy of Kosovo. Arkan is responsible for many, many, many murder
s, many killings, in Bosnia, in Croatia, and therefore this is a targe
t which makes profound sense in this very moment in which we want to s
top the ethnic cleansing for which he is so closely responsible person
ally. Let me say once again that he is a publicly indicted war crimina
l, he is responsible for many, many, many killings.
Antonio Esteves Martins, RTP: Isn't it a risk after you got Russia bac
k on to our side, to target the centre of Belgrade where there was the
Chinese Embassy? Isn't this a big risk to run because you do need the
Chinese to have the United Nations resolution approved?
Secretary General: Let me say first of all that of course the Chinese
Embassy was not a target, that has been recognised and I would like to
recognise it once again, and therefore this has not been directed to
the Chinese Embassy voluntarily. We have recognised that it is a mista
ke and a mistake that we regret. But let me also say that we have targ
eted today, as I have said answering another question, a very, very im
portant target related to one of the most terrible indicted war crimin
als that exists in Belgrade. But the diplomatic channel is still open
and as you know, and as I have just said, Mr Chernomyrdin will be toda
y in Bonn, Mr Carl Bildt will be in Bonn, the two will meet with the C
hancellor of Germany, who is at the same time the President of the Eur
opean Union, he will continue with Mr Kofi Annan and his representativ
es, so the diplomatic channel continues not only moving, but moving fa
st. And I hope that the energy and the momentum that was created aroun
d the G8 meeting will continue.
FR2: M. Secr閠aire g閚閞al, craignez-vous que cet incident grave compr
omette les efforts d閖?accomplis avec les Russes, les compromette ou l
es ralentisse, et que pouvez-vous faire?
Secretary General: Je ne crois pas - je viens de le dire en r閜ondant
?la question pr閏閐ente : les relations avec les russes continuent, la
r閡nion de M. Tchernomyrdine avec le Chancelier de l'Allemagne va avo
ir lieu. Comme vous le savez, le voyage de M. Ivanov ?Londres a 閠?rep
ort?mais pour des raisons diff閞entes de la raison qui a 閠?mentionn閑
ce matin. L'activit?diplomatique va continuer et va s'intensifier par
ce que nous voulons, comme je viens de le dire, saisir le momentum att
eint ?la r閡nion du G8.
Question: J'aimerais savoir ou j'aimerais vous demander - mon coll鑗ue
et son epouse ont 閠?tu閟 hier soir. Je ne sais pas comment je peux e
xpliquer cet 関閚ement ?ses parents? 莂 c'est la premi鑢e question..
Secretary General: Je fais tous mes efforts pour exprimer mes condol閍
nces pas seulement ?la famille mais aussi au gouvernement de la r閜ubl
ique chinoise et ?vous personnellement pour votre amiti?
Question: Ma deuxi鑝e question, est-ce que vous consid閞ez que l'attaq
ue de l'ambassade d'un pays souverain est un acte de guerre?
Secretary General Je viens de dire c'閠ait une erreur, une erreur que
nous ne voulions pas faire, parce que l'objectif de l'OTAN c'est de vi
ser seulement des cibles de caract鑢e militaire ou para-militaire.
CNN: Secretary General, how much more difficult does this make maintai
ning unity within NATO, particularly amongst those countries known not
to have the same degree of stomach for this fight that some of the ot
her members have?
Secretary General: The answer for me today is very simple to give to y
ou. I have chaired today another one of the North Atlantic Council, th
erefore the place where the 19 Allies express their views and we get t
ogether over decisions. I can tell you that the determination and the
solidarity among the 19 countries is the same today as it was yesterda
y.
Jamie Shea: We will go straight into the operational up-date and take
your questions thereafter.
General Jertz: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. As I have been pr
oviding the briefing to you, I have presented myself first and most im
portantly as a military man. In that spirit I express my strongest per
sonal regrets to those non-combatants who have experienced loss and su
ffering in recent hours. I have always reminded you that NATO only att
acks military targets, and we have no other intentions. Yesterday was
no different. Unfortunately even our best intentions are not always su
fficient.
A lot has gone right in this campaign, but I have to be honest, what h
appened at the Chinese Embassy last night is nothing but a mistake and
a terrible error. The planned target was the Federal Directorate for
Supply and Procurement in Belgrade, but we struck the wrong building.
This should not have happened and you can rest assured we will find ou
t why it happened. Our aim is to make sure nothing like this happens a
gain.
Equally you can be assured that NATO would not, and I repeat would not
, deliberately target an Embassy or any other building that was not a
legitimate military target. NATO regrets as much as anyone else the lo
ss of life and injuries, the damage done to the Embassy and indeed the
effect on the diplomatic process that is vital to bring this conflict
to a close, in line with the five conditions laid out by the internat
ional community.
Overall we conducted the most intensive attacks to date upon Milosevic
's military infrastructure in Belgrade. We attacked the Dobanovci comm
and complex which above ground is a residence used by Milosevic, but u
nderground conceals a major bunker complex in which part of his high c
ommand operates.
We struck the Hotel Yugoslavia, which far from being a hotel is now a
barracks for Arkan's Tigers in Belgrade and a command centre which con
trols Kosovo ground operations. Also we hit two Defence Ministry build
ings, an army general staff building, including a satellite communicat
ions antennae, the MUP headquarters and a number of electrical power t
ransformers. These attacks further disrupted the command, control and
communication systems.
Before going on to our other operations last night I also want to addr
ess the other recent incident at Nis, as I promised you yesterday I wo
uld elaborate on it. NATO has confirmed that the damage to the market
and clinic was caused by a NATO weapon which missed its target. This s
trike was directed against the Nis airfield utilising cluster munition
s. The attack was aimed at destroying Serbian aircraft which were park
ed on the airfield, air defence systems and support vehicles, targets
to which cluster munitions are appropriately suited. Once again of cou
rse civilian casualties were never intended and NATO regrets the loss
of life and injuries inflicted.
The other targets attacked in the past 24 hours are shown on the next
slide. We attacked radio relay sites, including a site at Cacak. We st
ruck the Sombor airfield, early warning radar sites and a surface to a
ir missile radar. We also struck fielded forces in Kosovo, especially
in northern Kosovo, but the weather was bad last night. Nonetheless we
were successful against some of these units.
Serbian air defence activity was normal and all of our aircraft return
ed home safely.
I have one additional image to show you today. This photograph, taken
on 6 May, shows just a few of the thousands and thousands of internall
y displaced persons in Kosovo. These poor people are living in the ope
n without even the most basic human necessities.
But I must now return to my main message. Although it is right for NAT
O to apologise, the air campaign must continue until our objectives ar
e met. This conflict is born of the policy of ethnic cleansing that we
pledge to reverse. We go to enormous lengths to prevent mistakes and
to avoid loss of civilian lives. During this campaign thousands of pre
cision weapons have been used. Every mistake is unacceptable and I ful
ly understand why this particular mistake received the immediate atten
tion that it did. NATO has not tried, and will not try, to make excuse
s, but it is worth remembering the broader picture in which we are ope
rating. NATO wants to bring peace to Kosovo and justice to the hundred
s of thousands who have suffered as a result of the policy of ethnic c
leansing.
Finally, I would now like to provide you with an up-date on NATO's hum
anitarian efforts over the past 24 hours. Yesterday there were 19 more
aid flights which arrived in Albania and 21 flights in the Former Yug
oslav Republic of Macedonia. The total aid delivered thus far is as sh
own on this slide.
Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes my briefing.
Stephen Gray, Sunday Times: You showed us a map, General, with the pos
ition of the embassy on but you didn't show where the intended target
was. Could you possibly put the map back up and show us that and also
all the other details? Can you tell us where exactly you did hit, how
many munitions, what time, which aircraft were used and what went wron
g? Was it, for example, a case of a building wrongly identified, you a
ctually struck the wrong place because you had the wrong co-ordinates,
or was it because you believe your pilot or the targeting system made
some kind of error?
Major General Jertz: Let me reiterate very briefly what I said. We mad
e a mistake, we hit the wrong building. There was an error in the proc
ess which caused us to attack the wrong building and we are reviewing
this process which up until now has been proven to be a strong testame
nt to one of the most professional and meticulous sciences of the air
campaign. We have attacked well over 1,000 aiming points during the la
st 45 days and each has been an extremely well -researched and well-cr
afted product that has led to a successful weapon release. Unfortunate
ly, last night we got it wrong, we hit a building which we thought was
the headquarters of the Federal Directorate for Supply and Procuremen
t and we hit it with precision weapons.
Same Questioner: That particular building that you hit, do you believe
that location had been the Federal Headquarters and not the Chinese e
mbassy or was it the case that you actually targeted the wrong buildin
g?
Major General Jertz: Once again, we did not attack - and we are never
attacking - any embassy. We did attack what we believed was the headqu
arters of the Federal Directorate for Supply and Procurement.
Douglas: General Jertz, I don't know what sort of weapon was used or h
ow it works or if you can even describe it to us, perhaps you may, but
is it at all possible that NATO was given erroneously or deliberately
mistaken, wrong intelligence from the ground about the location of th
e target, and will that be a line of the inquiry you are going to purs
ue?
Major General Jertz: So far, the whole process is under review and as
I said, the information we had was that in this building was the headq
uarters of the Directorate, and we have no evidence that we were misle
d.
Dragan Blagojevic, Beta Agency: After the series of daily and nightly
losses of civilian lives and the destruction of civilian targets, do y
ou think, General - or is it your assessment or the assessment of your
commanders - that in the chain of the command is somebody who is resp
onsible for all that?
Major General Jertz: You know we are doing a campaign, we are trying t
o solve a conflict which was imposed on us and the military are in lin
e with political guidance. That is all I have to say to this question.
Christopher: Our correspondent in Belgrade tells us that there is a bu
ilding very close to the Chinese embassy called Energo Projects, we do
n't find any building close to there that is the Federal Directorate o
f Supply and Procurement or that calls itself by a name like that. Can
you confirm that Energo Projects is the Federal Supply and Procuremen
t Centre that was supposed to be targeted?
Major General Jertz: Once again, we had the information that this head
quarters, the Federal Republic for Supply and Procurement, was in this
building so there was no need to think about any other targets, not i
n this context, and that is why we hit this target not knowing that it
was the embassy.
Christopher: This does raise the question of maps. The map that you sh
owed up there appeared to be a map with a lot of large white spaces in
Nove Belgrad which is an area where there has been a lot of construct
ion recently. Our correspondent on the ground says the Chinese embassy
was built within the last three years. It's perfectly possible that E
nergo Projects has been there for a longer period of time. Is it conce
ivable or even likely that for some reason we were using an out-of-dat
e map that did not have the new Chinese embassy on it?
Major General Jertz: Let me reiterate on the target processing a littl
e bit, even though normally we don't go too much into details on that.
We go through a very thoroughly researched targeting process. We do v
alidate targets if they are legitimate military targets with all the i
nformation we can get. These targets will then be placed on the master
target list consistent with NATO plans and those targets, once they a
re legitimate we are going to attack. I have no evidence that we are u
sing old maps, wrong maps.
Mark Laity, BBC: I appreciate that the review process is still under w
ay but could you at least tell us something which you must know and wh
ich can no longer be a necessary secret, which is what kind of weapons
were you using, was this an attack by laser- or television-guided wea
pons or by satellite-guided munitions such as cruise missiles? Could y
ou at least tell us that?
On the matter of Nis, how far away did this bomb miss? It seems quite
a long way for a bomb to go over, given your previous record.
Major General Jertz: I can tell you that it was a NATO aircraft and we
did hit the target, which was supposed to be the headquarters of the
facility I was talking about, with smart weapons.
On the Nis part, the whole process is still under review, as I said. W
e were using cluster bombs on the Nis target because, as I already men
tioned, cluster bombs are used in aerial targets where we know that co
llateral damage could not occur, and it would be speculation if I woul
d continue on the reason why some of the clusters obviously did go ast
ray, maybe because of a technical malfunction or they could have been
inadvertently released.
Question: General, can you tell us how many bombs hit the embassy, was
it just one or more?
Major General Jertz: I am not in a position to go into more details ab
out the number of bombs - it was more than one.
Craig Whitney, New York Times: General, just to be sure I understand w
hat you were saying about the embassy and the headquarters of the buil
ding you were trying to hit, we were told this morning that the two we
re close together but you seem to be saying you don't know where the b
uilding you wanted to hit was, that that is why the embassy was hit. I
s that correct?
Major General Jertz: As the incident happened this morning, of course
we wanted to give you the information which was available to us at the
time. As you know, it is always a very difficult situation to give yo
u, because you need it, the amount of information which is necessary o
n the one hand and, on the other hand, we have to be very honest, we w
ant to be credible and we need to talk to the pilots in the NATO aircr
aft, on this special occasion, about what happened so that we know wha
t was really going. And that is why I think it is fair to you and also
fair to us just to mention it this afternoon. We did target this targ
et because we thought it was the headquarters.
Gyorgy Foris, Hungarian TV: The Belgrade incident and the Nis incident
show how risky targeting downtown targets is. The question arises, is
it worthwhile doing so, do you have as much benefit out of it that ma
kes it worthwhile doing it, targeting downtown?
Major General Jertz: We had unfortunately to target some targets in do
wntown Belgrade in the past and we hit them because they did belong to
the command structure of a regime which we think is a brutal regime t
alking, listening and seeing the pictures of what is happening in Koso
vo. So yes, we do continue to find legitimate targets which are totall
y agreed by those countries who want to end this conflict.
Jamie Shea: If I may just at this stage also intervene, George, what G
eneral Jertz made very clear in the briefing today is that yes, we did
make a bad mistake yesterday night. That is clear and we have been ve
ry open about that. That is the only way we can be. But that wasn't th
e only thing that happened last night. A lot of other things happened,
a lot of things which are going to have a very long-term impact on th
e war machine of President Milosevic. Not just the fact that the Hotel
Yugoslavia, the head of Arkan's Tigers was struck hopefully in a way
which will undermine his ability to carry out his paramilitary activit
ies but I think if you look at the list, you will see that the overwhe
lming number of targets were very high-value targets and were struck e
ffectively and with the accuracy that we always try to achieve. Let's
have a quick look at the list:
At the military command structure, at the Dobanovci presidential comma
nd centre, the Ministry of Defence Headquarters (South), National Mili
tary Headquarters (North), electric power generation and distribution
was also hit in the capital with four transformer yards attacked. I ha
ve mentioned the Hotel Yugoslavia. There was also Batajnica airfield o
utside Belgrade, NATO aircraft also successfully struck lines of commu
nication, including bridges at Mure, Raska, Milosevo, Bare, Uzice, Mag
lic and Caprica; communication sites located in Cacak, Kru歟vac, Rudis
i, Novi Sad and several others in the Belgrade area were also successf
ully targeted; fuel storage, which is one of our priorities as you wel
l know, was again struck last night with attacks on storage sites in P
ozega, Pirane, Cacak and, as General Jertz said, we also struck priori
ty facilities, ammunition storage, in two locations, Paracin and Cupri
ja, so I want to emphasise that last night there was a very extensive
range of operations and we are going successfully and accurately after
those military targets which alone at the end of the day can back up
the diplomatic efforts by which we are hoping to achieve a result and
keeping the pressure up on Milosevic so please don't dismiss that. Las
t night, a great deal of what was done was done accurately and profess
ionally. Of course, everything is overshadowed, as we recognise, by th
is one very bad mistake but we continue to go after those military pow
er structures which alone can make Milosevic stop the war in Kosovo an
d that has to remain our priority. I apologise to General Jertz for ad
ding on to his answer there but I just thought we really have to put t
his thing in the right context.
Jake Lynch, Sky News: General, the SHAPE briefing this morning mention
ed that the building, the Procurement Facility, was also a weapons war
ehouse. So far as you are concerned, was it a weapons warehouse in the
sense that munitions were actually being stored there?
Secondly, you mentioned NATO's regret at the potential damage to the d
iplomatic process here. Does NATO, on its map of Belgrade, have clearl
y marked the embassies of all the various countries, particularly Secu
rity Council members, as ones to avoid and if so, where did NATO belie
ve the Chinese Embassy was located?
Major General Jertz: Let me start with the second question first. Part
icularly as we were not going to attack the Chinese Embassy, we were n
ot in the process of trying to find out where it is. But going to the
intelligence part of the house. We have not only the map of Belgrade a
s an intelligence source, we have all different kinds of intelligence
sources which give us the best and most precise information possible a
nd once again we did not go after an embassy and that is why this ques
tion I think should be refused, but yes, of course, we do know where t
he embassies are.
Jake Lynch: And was it a weapons warehouse?
Major General Jertz: I am not aware of the weapons warehouse. I have n
o information on that.
Jamie Shea: OK, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much, we will hav
e another briefing tomorrow at 10.30 and another briefing at 3 o'clock
.
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